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  • Feb. 19th, 2008 at 3:52 PM
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Не успеваю за всем следить. Информация из новостных агенст совершенно противоположная. Буду постить все что под рукой.
Есть следующая информация про нарушения.

www.armenianow.com

  At Gyumri polling station 13/21, an ArmeniaNow reporter witnessed voters arriving by bus, then being paid 5,000 drams (about $16 each) by representatives of the Republican Party of Armenia.

• At Polling Station 35 in Vanadzor an ArmeniaNow reporter observed voters being asked to vote “openly”, meaning that their choice would be seen by party representatives in the city that is a stronghold of the ruling Republican Party of Armenia.

• According to information reported to the Orinats Yerkir party hotline, the Republican Party of Armenia was busing voters to Yerevan’s Araratian district. Orinats Yerkir officials were also checking reports that at Poling Station 3/23 Sargsyan campaigners were on hand pressuring voters to vote for their candidate.

• Orinats Yerkir spokesperson Susanna Abrahamyan told ArmeniaNow that in Poling Stations 8/8 and 8/9 people whose passports had already been stamped were allowed to vote for a second time.

• Hovsep Hovsepyan, an A1 Plus cameraman, was beaten and his video destroyed on 6 Zavaryan Street in Yerevan by men who saw Ter-Petrosyan literature in the cameraman’s car.

• In the Kotayk region, according to information from Ter-Petrosyan headquarters, tycoon MP Gagik Tsarukyan bodyguards reportedly beat Ter-Petrosyan supporters Gurgen Yeghiazaryan, his son Hambardzum Yeghiazaryan, and Yerjanik Abgaryan.

• Reporting from the town of Abovian, Social-Democratic Hunchakian Party chairwoman Lyudmila Sargsyan told ArmeniaNow that two proxies for opposition candidate Levon Ter Petrosyan were put in cars, driven to the outskirts of town, and released.

• A Ter-Petrosyan proxy, Larisa Torosyan, was reportedly beaten, and threats made against her children.

“When we reached the polling station, the chairman of the commission said he was unaware of anything, did not see anything,” Sargsyan, who is also a Ter-Petrosyan proxy said. She also said that “several thick-necked people approached us, who are bodyguards of (MP) Gagik Tsarukyan, but who are registered as observers to control the situation.”

Sargsyan, who leads the oldest Armenian political party, said that “the whole situation created in Abovian” has caused an atmosphere in which no valid vote can take place.

• At Precinct 38/13 in Kapan officials were informed that some soldiers were seen voting more than once.

• The head of the Gyumri Aspares press club Levon Barseghyan confirms that 5,000 drams (about $16) are being given to voters near School N11, on the pavement across from a kindergarten in Vasil Khachatryn street and City Hall on Shirakatsi street.

The journalist says supporters of Serzh Sargsyan come in cars, and hand out money to names on a list of signatures.

• Near Polling Station 8/8 in Yerevan the nephew of Republican Party of Armenia member Samvel “Lfik Samo” Alexanyan was seen distributing money in exchange for promises to vote for Serzh Sargsyan.

• At Precinct 31/03 in the pro-Sargsyan city of Vanadzor an ArmeniaNow reporter witnessed voters being checked by list by party representatives before entering the precinct. Also, a brawl broke out among voters jostling for a place in line.

• A proxy for candidate Vazgen Manukyan reported that at Station 3/29 about 50 or more people voted at the same time, brought to the station from Vanadzor, Hrazdan, and the Akunk village of Kotayk province.

• A Ter-Petrosyan supporter reports that in the villages of Aknakhpyur and Lusakhpyur of the Tavush region army officers dressed in civilian clothes are sitting as observers, which is a violation of the Electoral Code. They are registered with Free Society Institute, a local observer organization.

Comments

[info]narjan wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 12:19 pm (UTC)
бардак а ми айл карги линелу.
[info]narjan wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 12:21 pm (UTC)
էս ավելացրա
ԾԵԾԵԼ ԵՆ ՚ՀԺՙ- Ի ԼՐԱԳՐՈՂԻՆ

[15:19] 19 Փետրվարի, 2008

Այսօր Էրեբունու թիվ 43 դպրոցում տեղակայված 13/16 տեղամասում ոստիկանության աչքի առջեւ ծեծի է ենթարկվել ՚Հայկական ժամանակՙ օրաթերթի թղթակից Լուսինե Բարսեղյանը: Վերջինիս ընդամենը տեղեկացել է, որ մի խուրց քվեաթերթիկներ են փախցրել հանձնաժողովի նախագահի սենյակ եւ թաքցրել տեղում: Երբ Տեր-Պետրոսյանի ներկայացուցիչը եւ հանձնաժողովում ՚Ժառանգությանՙ անդամ Արմեն Մարտիրոսյանը պահանջել են արձագնագրություն կազմել, հանձնաժողովի նախագահը չի կատարել, ՚ՀԺՙ-ի լրագրողը փորձել է հանձնաժողովի նախագահից ճշտել ինֆորմացիան:

Դրան ի պատասխան հանձնաժողովի նախագահ Վասիլ Աֆյանն ուղղակի ներս է հրավիրել ոստիկաններին, որնք փորձել են լրագրողին հեռացնել տեղամասից: Այդ ընթացքում լրագրողը շարունակել է կատարել իր մասնագիտական պարտքը, ինչի արդյունքում տեղամաս ներխուժած մի երիտասարդ նախ լուսանկարել է լրագրողին, ապա նաեւ նրա ձեռքից խլել ֆոտոապարատն ու ձայնագրիչը եւ սկսել ոտքերով եւ ձեռքերով հարվածել Լուսինե Բարսեղյանին: Այս ամենին ականատես են եղել եւ չեն խոչընդոտել ոստիկանները:
[info]pigh wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:06 pm (UTC)
Re: էս ավելացրա
У меня двойственные чувства к лрагрохам из Айкакан Жаманак:)
[info]narjan wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC)
Re: էս ավելացրա
апер, у меня тоже, но к ментам которые бездельствуют когда бьют женщину - очень определенное.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
vot tebe yeshe, pigh jan.

Open voting continues in Vanadzor, where Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan is expected to win in the 100,000 resident-city where his Republican Party of Armenia is a stronghold. (“Open” voting allows ballots to be seen by persons other than the voter and is one means for parties to assure that votes are cast according to their orders.)
A middle-aged woman in the city told ArmeniaNow that she would wait until after 5 or 6 p.m. to vote, as she’d heard that bribes (currently reported to be about $16) would be higher as the end of voting (8 p.m.) approaches.

Sargsyan’s headquarters in Vanadzor deny the information, but point a finger instead at the camp of oppositionist Artur Baghdasaryan.

“We do not distribute money,” Hrahat Nazaryan, a representative of the Sargsyan headquarters told ArmeniaNow. “But we have information that Orinats Yerkir party does it (give money).”

The area adjacent to the “Belisima” entertainment complex in the center of Vanadzor has been crowded all day. Minibuses arrive to the complex, which belongs to Vanadzor mayor (and RPA member) Samvel Darbinyan. Leaving the bus, names are checked from a list by Belisima employees. The names on the list are believed to represent those who have been promised money and are being escorted to polling stations to vote.

A representative of Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s Pan Armenian National Movement in Vanadzor says that the situation is “outrageous”. He said that in polling stations 31/27, 30/11, 30/9, 31/1 there is open voting with the help of policemen and that election officials do not attempt to stop it.

And in the capital . . .

• In Polling Station 13/16, Haykakan Zhamanak daily reporter Lusine Barseghyan says she was subjected to beating along with Heritage party member Armen Martirosyan.

According to Barseghyan, they received an alert from the polling station about ballox-box stuffing there and went there together with Armen Martirosyan, who is a proxy for Levon Ter-Petrosyan.

“Upon reaching the place and seeing the situation I asked the commission chairman why they did not draw up a report. The commission chairman began to drag me and push me out the polling station,” Barseghyan said.

Armen Martirosyan called police and told the commission chairman that the latter did not have the right to obstruct the journalist’s work.

“I took out a camera to take pictures and was recording on the tape-recorder. At that point, someone attacked me, took the recording equipment and began to beat me and Armen Martirosyan,” Barseghyan said.

• A report from Polling Station 8/21 in Yerevan’s Malatia-Sebastia district claims that a proxy for candidate Arman Melikyan was beaten when he tried to stop about 30 people from voting together.

• The Orinats Yerkir party reports that at Station 8/17 in Yerevan a Ter-Petrosyan proxy was beaten and taken away.

• At Polling Station 28/06 in Abovian, Ter-Petrosyan proxy Khachik Martirosyan says that proxies for Ter-Petrosyan were forcibly taken from the station and their mobile phones stolen. His report was confirmed by one woman who was voting at the time.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 12:41 pm (UTC)
This is better than LTP run elections in 1996. They are capable of crying out foul now but any report like this one is a moot point.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 12:51 pm (UTC)
To tell you the truth, I'm happy LTP faces it. This is a good lesson for him. Now he will feel how it is to struggle against the administrative rersource, that once was using. But there is no moot point here. It's not LTP that accuses someone. A lot of reporters and observers say the same. So I do not think that you can compare any fraud like this and say this is better, and that was worse. Anyway, what the goverment is doing now is a SHAME FOR ALL OF US.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:08 pm (UTC)
I understsand that not being able to win elections LTP is trying to shift the frame and have a new social moblization cause - fair and free elections. There is a credibility gap for him to take that stance. He shamelessly declared himself a winner ten days before elections. In other words, irrespective the outcome of the elections, he was getting ready for major internal destabilization. Of course, to make the claim plausible he needs "hundreds" of reports on violations and fraud. From the same sources. It is a shame that a scumbag that he is can try manipulate Armenians like sheep.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:11 pm (UTC)
And yes, please, stop dumping out LTP garbage propaganda. It cannot be anything else but garbage.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC)
well then everything else but the reports coming from the hedquarters of Serj you consider garbage propaganda. A very interesting point of view. For a note: reports were taken from Armenianow.com, Panorama.am..
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:17 pm (UTC)
It is a moot point because in any CIVILIZED country reports like that are subject to legal investigations not to Bolshevist street shouts. If you use logic you will see that LTP needs facts to prove a thesis that he had formulated ten days ago. If there are no facts, they will provoke to create ones.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:20 pm (UTC)
You can believe whatever you want in spite of what is seen by thousands of reporters, observers and just ordinary people, who has no "addiction" to LTP.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
and yes, in a CIVILIZED country yes. But we are far from neing a civilized. So handing these reports for a legal investigation is useless when the investigation is conducted by the frauders. We have seen that kind of staff lots of times, and also during the presidential rally.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:27 pm (UTC)
What are you proposing then? Means justify ends. Bolshevism is the worst disease per Winston Churchill. And if English is not the language of your choice, drop it, my friend.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:25 pm (UTC)
Stop your absurd unsubstantiated claims about "thousands of reporters and observers". We have very different reports and observations depending on the source. If the source is LTP there are thousands of squeaky noises. As there should be because he stood no chance to be elected. His only chance is mutilovka. And he is a master of those.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:30 pm (UTC)
well i'm tired to explain that i do not have LTP as a source. all the reports are from Panorama.am, and ArmeniaNow.com. are far from supporting LTP. If you do not believe those - go believe Serj. And stop telling me what I should believe.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:45 pm (UTC)
----all the reports are from Panorama.am----

Stop lying through your teeth. There is nothing of the kind on that site.

-----and ArmeniaNow.com. are far from supporting LTP.-----

Give me a break. "Independent media".
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:12 pm (UTC)
Are you a moron? You know why? You are giving me the garbage from the LTP camp and are trying to sell it as data from "independent" observers. ArmeniaNow is not independent media. Assembly is with LTP. Cheap stuff, really.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC)
I am not hiding the sources. They are always mentioned. And I am not forcing you to read. I f you consider them not independent, then go read Serj Sarkissian's independent diaries,
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 04:25 pm (UTC)
You are hiding sources behind panorama and ArmeniaNow. I will read what observer missions have to say but not hysterical squaking of the LTP camp which has a vested interest in blowing out of proportions results of their own provocations.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:15 pm (UTC)
Это такое дешевенькое шоу - побольше ссылочег. Начинаешь разбираться, и там все тоже. Например, первая ссылка зеленого яблока:

Сторонники В. Манукяна: в Гюмри раздают взятки

В городе Гюмри перед входом в избирательные участки избирателям раздаются денежные суммы, сообщает представитель Вазгена Манукяна в Гюмри Ваан Тимасян. Как сообщает официальный сайт Вазгена Манукяна, факт засвидетельствован местной телекомпанией "Гала".

Согласно тому же источнику, который ссылается на начальника предвыборного штаба кандидата общины Малатия-Себастия столицы Маргариту Манукян, совершена попытка вынести избирательный бюллетень с избирательного участка 8/8, в связи с чем завязалась драка между председателем комиссии и некоторыми доверенными лицами. После вмешательства полиции инцидент был улажен.

По данным источника, на избирательном участке 3/29 в столице около полудня сразу проголосовало 30 человек из дополнительного списка. А до этого на том же участке уже проголосовали 50-60 избирателей, вошедших в дополнительные списки. Голосующие были из Ванадзора, Раздана, села Сюник Котайкской области и других регионов страны.

==============

И так далее.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:19 pm (UTC)
В сообщении не указывается, кто раздает взятки, но зеленое яблоко уже предъявило обвинение. Им ведь сейчас нужно позарез выдать выборы фальсифицированными, чтобы двигать страну в оранжевую лужу. Не пройдет.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:33 pm (UTC)
слушай, манучао. Ты что, совсем не понимаешь? Тебе сколько повторять? Я тебе говорил что это пишет панорама.ам? вот и обращайся с критикой к ней. А цвет мой отлично виден и не надо грязных намеков. Хочешь поспорить, иди спорь с Панорамой.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
Мне не нужно спорить с панорамой. Они дают информацию из штабов различных кандидатов. Сообщения о нарушениях в основном от лагеря ЛТП. Я пишу о том, с какой целью это делается.
[info]pigh wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:08 pm (UTC)
Будем об'ективны. Я например не верю что Лфик Само настолько опустился,что лично раздает взятки.
Я щас новый пост сделаю:)
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:13 pm (UTC)
верить или нет - священное право каждого. Так же как и право голоса....
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
Я не верю ЛТП. Он профессиональный манипулятор и лгун. Только не вздумайте потребовать доказательств. За мной не заржавеет. Меня удивляет другое - как могут более или менее образованные армяне верить этой большевистской паскуде?
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:32 pm (UTC)
Да не верьте на здоровье. A сержу значит поверили?:))
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:35 pm (UTC)
Если выбор между ними, то верить Сержу больше оснований. Об чем я вам и написал - точно лучше, чем в 1996 году. Систему эту создал не Серж, а ЛТП. И эта паскуда сегодня смеет корчить из себя Мэдисона.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:38 pm (UTC)
Ну значит давайте хлопать в ладоши и радоваться. Все отлично. И верьте Сержу на здоровье, раз у вас больше оснований.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
В ладоши хлопать будете со своими детишками. Капишь? А сейчас вопрос стоит иначе. Под видом борьбы за честные выборы идет примитивная попытка протолкнуть оранжевую гиль и паскуду под названием ЛТП.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 02:32 pm (UTC)
слушаите, хотите хлопайте, хотите нет, хотите с детишками, хотите с взрослыми. Я не заставляю вас верить во что либо, так что и вы увольте. И так везде указывают за кого я должен голосовать, так вы мне еще будете указывать как я должен думать. Довольны тем как проходят выборы - радуитесь. Понравятся завтра результаты - радуйтесь дальше. А мне этот тотальный беспредел не нравится, даже если он направлен против ЛТП. И не надо меня убеждать что сегодня против ЛТП - это святое дело, а через пять лет если будет против дашнаков - то с этим надо бороться. Если вы предпочитаете думать так - продолжаите. Только меня в этом убеждать не надо. Компрендо?
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 02:51 pm (UTC)
Да, вас никто и ни в чем не убеждает. Это вы здесь пытаетесь тиражировать паскудную пропаганду дешевого мутиловщика и провокатора. Думать вам противопоказано, поэтому не надо вменять мне то, чего у меня и в мыслях не было: убедить лтписта в рациональном дискурсе невозможно. Им подавай большевисстские трибуны и гавканье на баранов.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:52 pm (UTC)
манучао, я сдерживался до последнего. Если тебе с твоим блестящими мозгами показалось что я агитирую за левона или за оранжевых, то я скажу тебе коротко: ты ошибаешся. Но с каких это пор ты, кретин, стал решать кому думать можно, а кому нет? Также не тебе решать о чем мне писать а о чем нет. Капишь? Или ты решил что ты можешь а я нет? На этом общение с тобой закончено. Araj Hayastan!
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 04:41 pm (UTC)
Я говорю о фактах с применением логики. Это скрытая агитация за ЛТП и его оранжевую повестку дня с подменой вопросов, с ставкой на дестабилизацию. Чистоплюям хочется половить рыбки в мутной водичке. Мутиловщиков расстреливать по законам военного времени. Катись, яблочко, пока не покраснеешь.
[info]pigh wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
Я тоже:) Читаю а1плус и волосы дыбом встают:)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 12:55 pm (UTC)
gago -- berlin
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CHT9Vj_pKIw
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:33 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
Let's take one of these reports -

---Hovsep Hovsepyan, an A1 Plus cameraman, was beaten and his video destroyed on 6 Zavaryan Street in Yerevan by men who saw Ter-Petrosyan literature in the cameraman’s car.----

Can there be a different take on what transpired with Hovsep? You bet. It is illegal to campaign on the day of elections in most countries. I will check the Armenian code, but it should have the same norm. Now, what was LTP litereature doing in Hovsep's car? Could it be that he was campaigning and ran into people from the other camp? MUTILOVKA. Cheap, dirty tricks.

[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:43 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
guys, you believe what you wnat to believe. I hope that the stroke of truth will not be very hard on you. Personally I do not see any reason to believe or support one dirt to beat another. Both of them are on our face.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 01:49 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
Go wash your face then. Mud on your face, big disgrace. I am for lesser evil. The bigger evil is LTP and his supporters are trying to push him through by cheap and dirty tricks.
[info]pigh wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 02:01 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
Я уже отказываюсь верить информации от ЛТП окружения и от анрапетакановского штаба.
Перейду исключительно на дружеские каналы.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
GOD HELP US GUYS!!!

[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
I did already, and my hands too. But you still prefer to have it on your face because you believe that it is the "lesser" one. Well, as I said: Believe in what you want to believe, but stop telling me what should I believe.

btw. слышал о тех кому плюют в лицо, а они говорят что это дождь?
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:00 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
Yes, I believe that there is lesser evil in this game. And you are trying to push through the bigger evil posing as a true sycophant. Try your tricks with your kind.

В лицо народу плевал ЛТП. А вы, как говорили, что дождь, так до сих пор и продолжаете.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 02:20 pm (UTC)
а вот тебе еще информация, Pigh джан. тоже от ArmeniaNow.

• In Kapan, an ArmeniaNow reporter saw uniformed policemen in Precincts 38/02 and 38/05. Policemen have no right to be in polling stations unless called by an election commission head.

• Also in Kapan, at Precinct 38/06 at least one voter arriving complained that someone had already voted using his identity. Officials in the precinct refused the man’s request to file a complaint with CEC.

• Elderly voters were brought free of charge via a minibus to Precinct 38/05 in Kapan. Asked by ArmeniaNow who had brought them, the voters replied “the driver”.

• Candidate Vazgen Manukyan’s campaign reports that soldiers were conducting “open” voting in Precincts 13/24 and 13/25 near a military hospital in the Erebuni district. The open voting – designed to allow others to see the vote – was in the presence of proxies for Serzh Sargsyan.

• Manukyan proxies also report that in Polling Station 13/09, certain people passed passports over the heads of a crowd to the polling booth and a little later had the passports sent back.

• Proxies for Manukyan also report seeing the same voters voting in both Station 13/10 and 13/09.

• According to a Manukyan’s rep in Sisian, in Polling Station 37/12 some voters vote with pens that they take out of their pockets. Though technically not illegal it raises suspicion that the voters intend for their marks to be checked by party overseers.

• Serzh Sargsyan’s campaign headquarters reported violations from Levon Ter-Petrosyan supporters. In particular, it is said that two proxies of the ex-president and current presidential candidate were present at Polling Station 5/20 in the Arabkir district of Yerevan. Accordingly, police expelled one of the proxies.

• Sargsyan’s campaign also reports that at Polling Station 69 in Lori region Ter-Petrosyan proxy Sargis Tamazyan threatened other members of the commission. He stated that “if anybody tried to prevent him from doing what he wanted, the end would be bad.”

• Residents in the village of Debed in Lori province have been encouraged to vote for Sargsyan. They have also been told that tiny cameras have been installed on voting booths so that their vote would be recorded.
[info]4apple wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 03:23 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
ну, товарищ, в таком тоне я с вами вааще разговаривать не собираюсь. Вы уж извините что те кто побил не остался чтоб дать интервью. Это я за них извунюсь, чтоб вы случайно не подумали что ваша логика в какой то мере ущербна. А для вашего развития я вам скажу что презумпцию невиновности никто не отменял. И "не исключено" обвинением не является. Так что если хотите кого то обвинить, то найдите человека, который ему дал в глаз, а он уже пусть оправдывается и говорит кто и за кого агитировал. Во всяком случае были написаны факты, о том что так говорит пострадавший. Еще раз повторяю, что шся информация copy paste или с ArmeniaNow.com или с Panorama.am.Так что логичный вы наш, заметте что я вас не оскорблял, забудьте плз. мой ник и ваши грязные обвинения оставьте у себя за ширинкой. Отныне оставляю за собой право игнорировать ваши посты.
[info]manonegro wrote:
Feb. 19th, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
Re: gago -- berlin
Не исключено не является обвинением, но ставит под сомнение обвинение выданное Ховсепом и лагерем ЛТП. Мы не знаем, что там реально произошло. Вы желаете уверить всех в его версии, но на не имеет ног. Пострадавшему надо добиваться правды в суде, а не на площади с истерическими завываниями. Ведь очень может быть, что из пострадавшего, он окажется обвиняемым. Это не отменит уголовной ответственности для тех, кто дал ему в глаз. Вы и ЛТП оскорбляете уже тем, что других держите за дураков, за быдло, которым можно манипулировать вбросом непроверенной, односторонней и предвзятой информации.

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